PeterGreenen and Mary Conwaywere both born of Irish Catholic peasants ("renters") in King's CountyIreland!
King's County was later re-named and iscurrently known as County Offaly.  Peter and Mary are known to havebegun their family in Durrow parish and attended St. Columba'schurch.  There were, in fact, several Greenen families and severalConway families in Durrow parish at the time Peter and Mary were growingup.  Unfortunately, the records of this parish were sketchy or non-existentfor the years 1800 - 1825.  During our visit there in September, 2000,we searched all the available records for those years and could find noentries for Peter or Mary.  So we shall probably never learn theirexact dates of birth or who their parents were.  Based on the namesof baptismal sponsors of their children, it appears that related familieswere Quinn and Kain.

Peter Greenen was born in 1810.  This year ofbirth is corroborated by the 1850 U.S. Census as well as his court testimonyof 1849 when he filed for U.S. citizenship.Mary Conway was born ineither 1810 or 1811, as the 1850 Census and the Greenen-Ryan-Poirierbible entries both attest.  These dates would have made them "contemporaries;"and it is quite possible that they attended school (and many other functions)together.  Perhaps they even met at one of the primitive "hedge schools"which were all that was available before 1830.  At any rate, it appearsthey attended the same church and their families would have known eachother that way.

Itis known that they originated in Durrow parish; but it appears the exacttownland of their origin has not been passed down.  There are severalGreenen (Grennan & Grinnan) gravestones in the graveyard of St. Columba's(Durrow) church; and several indicate that there was a "clan" of Grennan'sin a townland called AHARNEY.  It is therefore possible thatAharney may have been the actual ancestral Greenen home, although AharneyTownship is in the neighboring "civil parish" called Kilbride.  Nonetheless,it appears that the Aharney residents attended church in Durrow.

The focal point of Durrow parishis the town of Durrow and church of Saint Columba, aboutthree miles north of the city of Tullamore.  As one entersthe town from Tullamore, the striking view of the church and graveyardis seen in the photo at the right.

Tullamore (and Durrow) are located about50 miles WSW of Dublin.

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Among the significantactivities in the parish during the years Peter and Mary 
were growing up was the building of a new church.  Pictured atright is the front of the church, completed in 1831 and dedicated to St.Columba, a 6th Century Irish-Scottish saint.  The inscription readsPASTORJO RAFFERTY 1831.  [JO being a common abbreviation for John.] This photo was taken during our visit in the year 2000, at which time thechurch is still in good condition and in daily use.

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When this church was dedicated, Peter wouldhave been 21 years old; and thus it is possible that he actually helpedwith its construction.

The graveyard of this church was not usedtill about 1880; and one of the very first burials was a Columb Greenan...Columb (or "Colm") still being a common Irish given name.

As for the location of the previous churchand graveyard, there was not time to research this question during our2000 trip; but it is research that would be interesting to do.  Greenanand Conway headstones would probably be there; but would be very old andhard to read.


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Unfortunately, the birth recordsof this church are scanty and incomplete before 1825; and thus we havebeen unable to document the baptisms of either Peter Greenen or Mary Conway.

Peter and Mary were married in 1841.  Both were about 31years old... not uncommon in those days of scarcity and hardship. There can be no doubt that the wedding took place at St. Columba's churchin Durrow... pictured again at left.

The parish registry has been found and examined and the marriage isconfirmed to have occurred on Sepember 18, 1841.  The witnesseswere John Colgan and Margaret Byrne.

Click here 
to see photos of the Greenen entries inthe Durrow parish registry.

CLICK ON THE DOCUMENT ICONat left to see it in full size
Though the marriage record is on file atAssumption Church in Tullamore, the marriage most certainly occurred inDurrow which was the family's home and a subordinate (mission) church ofthe Tullamore parish.... as is explained in the link above.


After some hard work and careful research,it was our good fortune to locate the ancestral Catholic parish of theGreenen family (St. Columba's) and to study the church registry of marriagesand baptisms.  The discovery of these records allowed us to clarify,and verify what had been a very uncertain (and sometimes conflicting) setof traditions regarding the marriage and children of Peter Greenen andMary Conway.

September 18, 1841: Marriage of Peter Greenen and Mary Conway
      Witnesses: John Colgan and MargaretByrne.
December 9, 1842:  Baptism of Joseph, Son of Peter Greenen &Mary Conway
  Sponsors:  Michael Conway and Anne Quinn
June 2, 1844:  Baptism of Michael, Son of Peter Greenen &Mary Conway
      Sponsors:   Thomas Conwayand Mary Conway
March 29, 1846:  Baptism of Mary,  Daughter of Peter Greenen& Mary Conway
      Sponsors:  Christopher Quinn and  Mary Kain

It must be noted that several family recordsindicate that another daughter, Anna, was born in Ireland.  Traditionand calculations indicated that her birth would have been in 1848; howeverour search of the records at Durrow did not uncover such a baptism, eventhough we searched all the way to 1850... which is two years after thedate that Peter Greenen arrived in the U.S.   A later document,(the 1850 U.S. Census) does confirm that Anna was indeed born in Irelandin 1848.  The absence of a baptismal document for Anna at Durrow suggeststhat Peter left his family in the care of relatives in another parish whenhe left Ireland for America.... or that the priest simply failed to recordher baptism.

Furthermore, in all fairness (and to avoidpossible embarassment later) it must be admitted that a scenario of theENTIRE Peter Greenen family coming to America together is not totally ruledout.  Indeed, the Historyof Catholicity in Indiana (published in 1898) asserts that "Petercame to the U.S. with his wife and four children."  This source, andthe language of the assertion, however (to me) lacks the authority to meanthat they actually all came on one ship.

Click here to see photos of theGreenen entries in the Durrow parish registry.

     Click hereto see adulthood photos of Joseph, Michael, Mary, and Anna.

There is no documentation or detailedtradition of how Peter Greenen and Mary Conway Greenen carried out theirdecision to emigrate to the United States.  The documents, evidence,and tradition that is available, however, all indicate that Peter madethe trip first and then "sent back" for his family.  As mentionedabove, it would appear that Peter left a family of four children (or threeand a pregnant wife) in safekeeping somewhere NOT in Durrow parish. As mentioned above, the evidence for this is that the baptism of theirfourth child, Anna, does not appear in the Durrow record even though laterrecords (the 1850 U.S. census) and other documents declare that she wasborn in Ireland in 1848.

To obtain more evidence that Peter's wifeand children did not accompany him to the U.S.A., one needs to "leap forward"to 1918 and read the obituary of Peter's son, Joseph.  The obituarystates clearly that Joseph came to America at age 7... an age which hewould not have achieved until November of 1849... which is almost a yearafter the date of his father's sworn arrival date.

Meanwhile, we can report with confidence,that Peter himself arrived in the United States on December 24, 1848...a fact which he swore to when filing for Citizenship in 1849.  Peter would have been 38 years old at the time of his voyage to the U.S. We do not know what ship he sailed on or which port he landed at.  At this age, with a family back home and waiting to be called for; PeterGreenen would NOT have been the paradigmatic "young man seeking adventure"that movies and novels describe.  It is my belief that he may havebeen responding to (or already had) one of the many "Railroad deals" orsimilar "calls for workers" that were available at the time.  If nothe would have disembarked with full intentions of procuring one as soonas possible... which he did.


On October 24, 1849, Peter Greenen presentedhimself in Champaign County Probate Court and applied for U.S. Citizenship. It was on this occasion that he swore an oath that his age was 39 yearsand that his date of arrival in the U.S. was December 24, 1848.  His application was recorded and, by law, a period of five years of residencywere required to obtain citizenship.  He was formally granted citizenshipon August 19, 1856 as is recorded on pages 194-195 of the ChampaignCounty Probate Court Records.  Note that in these proceedings, Peter'sname was spelled"Peter Grannin" by the clerk of the Court.

Thorough and careful research by Andy Sauerand our professional genealogist, Arnold Dean, has revealed that the lawsin effect in the 1850's (and later) granted "automatic citizenship" towives and children as soon as a male head-of-household obtained citizenship. For this reason, we now know that Mary Conway Greenen and the four childrenborn in Ireland were NOT required to go through court proceedings for citizenship. This also explains why no citizenship papers have ever turned up in anyof the hundreds of records and keepsakes that have been searched and researchedby Peter and Mary's descendants.

For many reasons, the most crediblehistory is that Peter went to work for the railroad immediately followinghis arrival in the Urbana Ohio area.  The Columbus, Piqua, &Indiana Railroad had just been organized in 1849 and was building trackto serve Urbana at that time.  As will be documented later, it appearsalmost certain that Peter went to work for that railroad.  We alsoknow that Peter... and later all his sons and several grandsons had fullcareers in railroading.  In addition, as we will see, Peter experiencedmany family and personal tradgedies as a result of railroad accidents whichwere all too prevalent in those days.   It is known that Peterand all his sons worked for the "forerunners" of what later became thePennsylvania Railroad.

Peter and his wife Mary (Conway) had a child,MartinGreenen for whom we have no documents; but it is believed that he wasborn within a year or two of the family's arrival in the Urbana area. It is also believed that he died in early childhood.   Anotherchild, Thomas E. Greenen (1852 - 1873) was born in Urbana and raisedto adulthood but died in a railroad accident at age 21.   In1855, another child, Ella Greenen wasborn but died at age 6 of a childhood illness.

An interesting but confusing document hasbeen kept by several of Peter's descendents in connection with the deathof "little Ella" in 1861.  It is clear that on the date of her death,September 12, 1861, Peter purchased and received title to a gravesite inUrbana.  Nonetheless, little Ella also has a gravesite at Holy CrossCemetery in Indianapolis which asserts (according to cousin Andy Sauer)that she was buried there at the time of her death in 1861. CLICKHERE to see photos and learn more about the "MYSTERY" of Little Ella'sdeath and burial.

Greenan, Peter40HusbandLaborerIrelandIrelandIreland
Greenan, Mary39wifeHousewifeIrelandIrelandIreland
Joseph Greenan8sonat schoolIrelandIrelandIreland
Michael Greenan6sonat homeIrelandIrelandIreland
Mary Greenan4daughterat homeIrelandIrelandIreland
Anna Greenan2daughterat homeIrelandIrelandIreland

CLICK HERE or on the thumbnailat left to see the 1850 census in full size.

The 1850 census, though a little difficultto read in this photo, has been reviewed carefully and is considered tobe accurate and to concur with all the information we have.  The 1860census, however, contains numerous errors and will not be posted thoughit is available in our files.

Reviewing the 1850 census provides, firstand foremost, an absolutely complete confirmation of the birth dates ofall the family members at that time, as calculated from other records andas entered in the baptismal records of Durrow Parish, King's County, Ireland. In addition, this 1850 Census report, tracked down and researched by CousinAndy Sauer, locates the Peter Greenen homestead in Union Township, ChampaignCounty, Ohio... the township just east of the city of Urbana.  Forhistorical accuracy I shall recite that the census entries for this familyoccur on page 306 of the Census for that County, and that the census entrieswere made by a Colin McDonald.  The "date of enumeration" [Date onwhich the enumerator signed the page] was October 21, 1850.  However,because J.W. Greenen (with a late November birthday) is listed as beingalready 8, it is possible that the actual interview with this family occurredlater than October 21.  As can be seen in the table above, our greatgrandfather, Joseph, was already attending grammar school.  Michael,however, who turned six in June of that year, was still listed as "at home"...thus indicating that age 7 was probably thought to be the age to beginschooling at that time.

Also included in this census were questionsas to whether persons could read and write the English language. It is neither surprising nor at odds with tradition (and the numerous differentspellings of the family name) that both Peter Greenen and Mary Conway Greenenare listed as unable to read and write.  It is also important to noticethat Peter is listed as a "laborer" and not a farmer... even though hehomesteaded a large tract of land on which he was living.  When onethinks this through, it seems to be further evidence that Peter was workingfor the Railroad and that his land grant was one of the prevalent land-for-serviceschemes that Congress had made available as an incentive to develop railroads.

To view the available baptismal documents,click on the thumbnails at left.
JosephWilliam Greenen: 1842 - 1918
         Married Sara Catherine ("Katie") Ryan   Many descendants.
      CLICKHERE to see the website of "J.W." Greenen and "Katie" Ryan
MichaelH. Greenen:  1844 - 1919
         Married Ellen Coffield.  Many Descendants.
        CLICKHERE to read more about Michael H. Greenen & the Peter Greenenfamily.
Mary GreenenGraham:  1846 - 1921
         Married Patrick Graham.  Many Descendants.
Anna Greenen Ryan:  1848- 1923
         Married Martin Vincent Ryan... then John McGroarty.  Ryan and Poirierdescendants.
NO DOCUMENTThomas E. Greenen:  1852- 1873
        Died in railroad accident at age 21.  No descendants
NO DOCUMENTElla Greenen:  1855 - 1861 Died in childhood.
NO DOCUMENTMartin Greenen:
        It is assumed he was born in the "gap" between Anna and Thomas.
        Itis also assumed that Martin died in childhood.   No documentationis at hand as of 2000.

[Union Township, Champaigne County, Ohio]

Several of his grandchildren had "familynotes" which indicated that Peter "homesteaded" a 160 (or at least 120)acre tract of land in Union Township, Champaign County Ohio, which is locatedwest of Columbus and north of Springfield, Ohio.  The county seatis Urbana; and numerous family notes and traditions speak of the family's"time in Urbana."  More recent research has shown that Peter's landholdings may have been far less than 120 acres.  As of 1874 Peter'sholdings appear to be about 60+ acres... in two separate plots.

Research is underway to locate documentsregarding Peter's land holdings prior to 1874... which is the earliestdate for which we have located a document which shows his land.  Clickhere to see the 1874 plat of Union Township which shows twoseparate plots of land owned by Peter.  It is interesting to notethat the northernmost of these two plots became part of the Urbana CountryClub golf course... a course which carries the prestigious title: "Designedby Pete Dye."   It was even more interesting to learn that thePeteDye family is from Urbana.  The initial 9 hole course was designedby Pete's father... and the second 9 hole course, by his son. Clickhere  for more info and pictures.


It seems valid to assume that the geographicmovements of this family would have been governed primarily by opportunitiesfor assignments and promotions offered by the railroad... to which thisfamily was probably very loyal.

It is not at all certain exactly when thefamily moved to Indianapolis; but the "tale ofthe unused gravesite" once seemed to be evidence that they were inthe process in 1861... after about 12 years in Urbana.   The1870 census and other research have essentially changed everyone's mind,however; and it appears that the family lived on their Urbana farm formany years after 1861.   By 1861, however, Joseph (19) and Michael(17) would have "come of age" and it is thought they took jobs and/or promotionswith the railroad which took them west to Indianapolis in the early 1860's.


CLICK HEREor on the thumbnailto see the 1870 census in full size.
According to the 1870 U.S. census, Peter and Mary were still living on their farm in Urbana and Mary (24)and Thomas (18) were still living at home.


As of the present writing, the earliestdefensible date for Peter and Mary to have actually been living in Indianapolisis 1873... when they buried their son Thomas.  At that time, accordingto Charles D. Greenen's research, Peter and Mary were living on South NobleStreet.  AND... (?confusing) it must be recalled that Peterstill owned the two plots of land in Union Township, Ohio, as of the 1874survey plat.
It is, however, quite likely thatPeter's sons Joseph and Michael moved west to Indianapolis "with the railroad"well before their parents.  We are "storying" somewhat (for lack ofexact dates) but it is known that Indianapolis was a "boom town" by 1861...and the entire state was well entrenched in the "Abraham Lincoln" abolitionist-unionistcamp.  Lincoln, of course, was president during these years; and Indiana'sGovernor  Morton was his staunch supporter.  Even though thedate cannot be established; it is a very good calculation to say that Josephand Michael Greenen moved to Indianapolis sometime during the civil war...and participated in the city's well known "behind the lines" support ofthe Union cause... mostly by keeping the railroads running.

Between 1870 and 1875, Peter and Mary Greenenwould have attended the weddings of their four eldest children, beginningwith "JW's" marriage to Katie Ryan in 1870.   Peter and Marywere in their 60's now and enjoying the well deserved pleasure of grandchildren.

Then, suddenly, on July 23, 1873, tradgedystruck again.  Their youngest son, Thomas E. Greenen was killedin a railroad accident at age 21.  Of their seven children, only foursurvived... and the four survivors were the four oldest... the four whohad been born in Ireland.

There arestill many unanswered questions regarding the details of Peter Greeen'semployment with the Railroad.  It is known that Peter has been definedin various U.S. census reports as "farmer" and "laborer" ...and it is believedthat he did devoted substantial time to both "careers."  It is alsoknown that all of his sons followed in his footsteps in pursuing careersin Railroading.  Difficult and painstaking research finallypaid off in November of 2000 and a great deal of the Greenen Railroad historycan now be tracked with certainty.

The family tradition passed on to the twentiethcentury Greenen Descendants is that Peter Greenen and his sons "allworked for the Pennsylvania Railroad."  Although the "Pensy"(Pennsylvania Railroad) was not formed till the 1920's, research has shownthat the railroads they worked for were all forerunners of the Pennsylvania.
Thishistory goes back to the formation of the Columbus, Piqua, and IndianaRailroad which was incorporated in 1849, less than a year following Peter'sarrival in the Urbana Ohio area.  Since the Greenen family geographicmovements can be seen to correspond exactly to the expansion of this railroad(via "buy outs" by parent railroads over time) there can be no doubt thatthe study of this expansion and general westward progression is also astudy of this family's work history as we will see.
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To follow this progression of railroad "buyouts" and expansions, we need to follow the "corporate genealogy" of the"PanhandleRailroads"... which the later and larger "mergers" were affectionatelycalled... probably because their real names were all long winded tonguetwisters.  This corporate genealogy is organized into an excellenttable which we shall follow beginning with number 14 along the leftborder, i.e. the Columbus Piqua and Indiana Railroad.  As stated,the progression of mergers and buy-outs goes like this:

In 1849 the Columbus, Piquaand Indiana was formed.

It is my suspicion that Peter Greenen was connectedto them from the very beginning; and his aquiring of his land near Urbanamay have represented one of the many "land for service" deals that wereavailable in those times. (unproven, of course)

In 1863, the Columbus, Piquaand Indiana was SOLD to

The Columbus & IndianapolisRailroad Company.
It is my theory that this "buy out" by a biggerraiload during the Civil war could have been the stimulus for Peter...or at least the older boys, J.W. and Michael, to move west to Indianapolis.   By this time, Mary and Peter were both 53 years old and, as far as we know,they had had all their children.

In 1864 a "Consolidation" occurredand the name was changed to

The Columbus and IndianapolisCentral Railway Company.
This was a further consolidation, with therailroad becoming bigger as Indianapolis was becoming a bigger rail centerand playing an important role in the Civil war.

In 1868, two consolidation/mergersoccurred to form

The Columbus, Chicagoand Indiana Central Railway Company.

This merger would have greatly expandedthe Railroad and resulted in divisions operating to Chicago and to Logansport,Indiana, a major canal terminal and rail center.  The nation was recoveringfrom the Civil war which had now been over for three years.
Basedon his obituary, we are 100% sure that Peter Greenen worked for this railroad,and that it was called "The Panhandle" at this time.  This is theearliest date we are sure about the name; but it is believed that someof the earlier forerunners of this railroad were also called "The Panhandle."  The name refers to the "panhandle" of West Virginia... and was based onthose early railroads having accomplished the technical feat of bridgingthe wide Ohio and the mountains of the panhandle to bring coal out of theWest Virginia and Virginia mountains.vv
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The photo just above shows the geography ofWest Virginia's panhandle.  It is an 1851 railroad map from the NationalArchives.

By this time (1868) Peter and Mary Greenenwere still living in Urbana; but it is VERY likely that both their sonsJ.W. and Michael also worked for this
railroad... and most likely lived in Indianapolis.

During this period, Peter and Mary's youngestson died, in 1873, and then Peter himself in 1878.

CLICK HEREto see Peter's death certificate in full size.

Click here to see Peter'sobituary notices

Peter Greenen's death occurred July 9, 1878at age 68.  He had spent a life of hard work and died in service tothe railroad.  Several obituary articles appeared and are postedHERE.  Thanks are due to Gloria Greenen Bixler for tracking down these articlesfrom the archives of the Indianapolis Public Library.  The obituariesare (excessively?) vivid and eliminate the need to write further abouthis death.  Besides being "a good man" and "a good Catholic" as theobituaries attest, Peter's reputation as a hard working, dutiful, loyal,and loving husband and father has been passed down through the generations. He was spoken of often and with admiration even by his grandsons and greatgrandsons who were known to those of us producing this history document120 years after his death.
PeterGreenen lived to see twelve grandchildren, including:
  • five grandsons from Joseph (Charles,John Joseph, Alfred, Thomas, and Frank)
  • three grandchildren from Michael  (Daisy,Nettie, and Frank) 
  • one grandaughter from Anna Greenen Ryan (AnnaAlvirney,) and 
  • three grandchildren from Mary Greenen Graham (Jane, Nellie, & William.)

  • The obituaries attest to the fact thathis wife, Mary Conway Greenen survived him.  Later documents alsoconfirm that.  It is not known where Mary spent her "last years" afterthe death of Peter.  It is likely she would have gone to live withone of her children.  She died April 15, 1883, at age 73; and oneof the biggest "mysteries" of the Greenen family history is the uncertaintyas to where she is buried.


    Click on the photo to see it full size.
    The photo above, (labelled "Grandma Greenen")is believed to be Mary Conway Greenen taken with two of her granddaughters;but it is not certain who they are.  A very good guess would be thatthe two little girls are Jane (1871) and Nellie (1873) ...daughters ofMary Greenen Graham.  If so that would give the picture a date ofabout 1876.  There are many other possibilities, however, as MaryConway Greenen lived till 1883.

    Most recently (June, 2001) a non-Greenen cousin,Andy Weidekamp, identified an 1898 publication, A History of Catholicityin Indiana, which contains a detailed entry regarding the family of PeterGreenen and Mary Conway.  CLICKHERE to see the Greenen entry in that publication.  It hascontributed considerably to the preparation of this Greenen history. It was very re-assuring to discover that this History of Catholicity publicationagreed completely with all the information gathered in Ireland as wellas all our other research... right down to the very details!
    At the time of Peter Greenen's death in 1878,his eldest son, Joseph W. Greenen, our ancestor, was living in Piqua Ohioand had a management job with the railroad there.  His tour in Piquawas from about 1876 till 1883.  Both Joseph and Peter's other son,Michael, had long since put down roots in Indianapolis and both were marriedand raising families and enjoying successful careers with the railroad.

    In 1883 and 84 two consolidationsoccurred resulting in the formation of

    The Chicago St. Louisand Pittsburgh Railway Company

    At the time of this merger, Joseph W. (J.W.)had worked his way well up the ranks of the railroad management heirarchy;and it was probably during this time that he became terminal manager atIndianapolis.  CLICKHERE to see the website of "J.W." Greenen and "Katie" Ryan  He would have just finished a 5 or 6 year (we aren't sure) tour of dutyin Piqua, also a major four directional crossing with a round house, maintenancefacilities and switchyards.

    Click on photo to see it full size
    Evidencefor his having achieved high rank by this time is the large exquisite homehe purchased and raised his family in following their return from Piqua. The home is at 120 N. Arsenal Ave. in Indianapolis.

    During 1890 two consolidationsoccurred resulting in the formation of

    The Pittsburgh CincinnatiChicago & St. Louis Railroad Company

    Although not documented, family traditionis that Joseph William Greenen worked for this railroad (through its manymergers and name changes) for 50 years; so the assumption is that he wouldnot have retired till well after 1890.  If he began work at 18, hewould have achieved this in the year 1910 at age 68.  Regardless ofexactly when he retired, it is known that he was presented with a verynice watch which (as of the year 2000) is in the posession of Cousin AndySauer.  It is a well known fact (also documented in pictures) thathe was wheel-chair bound for the last several years of his life. His wife Katie died in September of 1913... but not before the two of themenjoyed a few years of railroad travel.  His granddaughters have reportedtheir recollections of those days when JW had free passes for railroadtravel anywhere he wanted to go... with all the priviledges of high rank...and special attention to his wheel chair.  A detailed history of thelife and family of J.W. Greenen is posted at

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    Joseph William Greenen continued to travel andvisit his children and grandchildren even after the death of his wife. And, most importantly for this section of the Greenen history, his decendentshave kept many letters he wrote on railroad stationery with the letterheadof the PittsburghCincinnati Chicago & St. Louis Railroad Company.

    More details are beingsought regarding the family and work history of Peter's other son, Michael...and his two daughters, Mary and Anna.  When more is learned aboutthe railroad history of Michael and his sons, it will be posted here.

    CLICKHERE to see the website of "J.W." Greenen and "Katie" Ryan